Following Goku's death, he was trained by Piccolo in anticipation of the upcoming Saiyan invasion, and grew much stronger and closer to his new mentor, ultimately redeeming him and setting him down the path of heroism due to their bond. So, in other words, in a fight between Mystic Gohan and Goku, Mystic Gohan stomps. Kid Buu, is the original Buu. well it wasnt. He may not have a lot of fighting experience, and be very immature and childish. so goku > super buu. in the manga, if you have a huge power, you win. If AT were to rewrite the ending and have Ultimate Gohan defeat Kid Buu', the ending would be anti-clamatic which will make the story lose its popularity. remember how gohan hurt freeza in second form? you cant. 16:32, August 21, 2011 (UTC), It was stated in the manga that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks. Super Buu wasn't transforming back to Kid Buu, he was transforming back to Ultra Buu, from which somehow he became Kid Buu.After this transformation Goku and Vegeta both became more confident, note that this was not only because of his size because Goku and Vegeta both can sense powerlevels and thus, we can assume his power was knocked down significantly, as before this point, even Goku was scared of Buu's power increase.I can never forgive you for what you've done! Why should I think your anything but a troll with your retarted, uneducated comments. LEARN TO FUCKING USE GRAMMAR AND SPELLING. The current order of which one is strongest is inverse to which one has the highest potential: Goku is stronger than Gohan who is stronger than Goten. It took Goku over a year to master ssj to go to fssj which means with a few years of practice the side effects would've been gone and if we're using GT Goku's child body never mastered or even used ssj3 for that matter so it doesn't count. Also kid buu is stated to be more ruthless and evil,not stronger. Goku trains constantly, so he’s able to continuously make himself stronger. Even lower I'd say because he could still fly against Kid Buu. you choose to ignore it out of fanboyism. gotenks wasnt "barely keeping up". The anime doesn't provide a clear answer to this question, but the manga reveals that Gohan has the edge over Android 17. What, so your saying Goku at SS3 could pound Super Buu the way Gohan did?Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. And SSJ3 is a FORM, not a power level. Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Goku. Goku thought Gotenks would be a match for Fat Buu not Super Buu, meaning he didn't rank their power that highly. If Gohan's power was so great it should have been enough for the Spirit Bomb. rewatch the fight! you act like super buu is a pussy and not much of an opponent. I swear I heard him say that when I saw that episode. Sure Gohan easily whooped Super Buu while SSJ3 Goku had trouble with Kid Buu. Which he does in Battle of Gods and GT, so argue with this. the reason that goku is weaker than buu is because he needed vegetas help to stop kid buu and he needed the spirit bomb which isnt his own energy. I know Buu said he was warming up, but Gotenks was clearly dominating the fight. gotenks being on his level is absolutely astounding and amazing, especially at such a young age. I'd say he may be stronger then Ultimate Gohan, but still Goku hadn't mastered SSJ3. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see Captain Marvel fight a Saiyan. actually i do give evidence. Goku even said in the anime himself Gotenks is stronger then him. It is obvious that Kid buu is weaker than Super Buu because Goku could na.ot even handle Fat Buu. So that says SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fighting together can't beat Super Buu. The only point where Gohan is clearly in another league is for one major fight about 200 episodes in, after which time 7 years pass, with Goku training almost constantly and Gohan not training at all, so Goku … In light of the post attempting to prove SSJ3 Goku is superior to Mystic Gohan, I am going to briefly explain why Mystic Gohan is more powerful.The manga isn't even vague about this, so I've never really understood the argument to begin with. Hirudegarn beats out both SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan in terms of strength. Ok, first of all, Akira Toriyama stated that Whis is now the strongest character in DBZ, so any references to Ultimate Gohan being the strongest is automatically crap. experience is useless, except that he can understand when hes gonna die faster than two little kids. Wtf your actually telling me that Goku was not strnger than Gohan in GT?! 3 years ago. it wasnt the bulk of everyones power. Hundreds of times what gave you that idea? They have a great fighting style and it is "polished". Actually he does have proof, Super Buu has two Kais absorbed in him while Kid Buu has nothing in him. show me a manga scan of goku fighting super buu and ill submit. Some say SSJ3 Goku is stronger. no you didnt establish shit. Janemba4eva 14:25, August 16, 2011 (UTC), Yes ultimate Gohan is indeed stronger than ssj3 Goku BUT at that time Gokus ssj3 transformation was untrained so by the end of DBZ I believe Goku surpassed Gohan again but of youre talking about when super buu was around then yes he was.76.92.231.147 02:45, August 18, 2011 (UTC)BrownPrince2011. Ultimate Gohan is way stronger than super saiyan 3 Goku (don't bring Hirudegarn, Goku is my favorite character but this is all dragon punch PIS). We also have a statement from Goku saying that SSJ Gotenks could beat Fat Buu as well. That doesn't even make sense. Comment your opinion on who is stronger or better. Gohan does become stronger than Goku, but not necessarily significantly so. So people need to stop using that as evidence. Why not start things off with the most obvious entry? It's pretty simple, besides a FPSSJ3 or MSSJ3 to where it wouldn't drain his energy, would be more than enough for Ultimate Gohan. http://www.mangareader.net/105-3156-12/dragon-ball/chapter-507.html, here goku is saying they have no possible way of taking on super buu, http://www.mangareader.net/105-3160-10/dragon-ball/chapter-511.html. This argument proves my point that there had been a mistake in the story but some people wont agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if he was, how come goku didnt wish him to the planet of the kais? Besides, in Z he doesn't go SSJ after he's been ultimatized because his full power has been released, thus power amplification transformations such as SSJ and SSJ2 have no room anymore, as he can't get any stronger. 14:19, December 28, 2011 (UTC). 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