That mortals can change. 14 Infinite Zamasu Listen up: Infinite Zamasu is incredibly powerful. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. That's it. 2-C is more likely than Low 2-C tbh in this case. Fusion Zamasu (合体 ザマス, Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. of being the strongest foe at the time, Zamasu would have become much stronger than them if he took ever other universes, but was stopped by Zen'o. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! He has Future Zamasu's eye shape, but with dark lines under the bottom eyelids and somewhat smaller ears. This is been back up, when Krillin “aborted”(TFS Reference) Present cell, but future cell(main antagonist) still lives on. Uhh no it's not OOC as I pointed out just now. BTW SSJRYU probably won't want to bother with this, and I don't blame him. Casual. IC Zeno would just erase the Universe with the problem in it, but that's not what happened and the reason why is quite clear. I'm inclined to agree tbh. Well, since Jiren scales above Infinite Zamasu and Beerus is vastly stronger than Post-UIS2 SSB Goku (who pushed Jiren to use more energy) then Beerus and Whis would scale far above Infinite Zamasu and could easily defeat him, potentially. Bloodlusted. Infinite Zamasu wins both rounds. Gowasu said he was becoming the universe, and after a while he started leaking into the present. If it was Anime Fused Zamasu who’s stated to be able to be overwhelmed due to his half Immortality (AKA just intense regen due to fusion with Goku Black who had no Immortality) Fused Zamasu would be dead. There has to be reasonable impetus for Zeno to make that decision, such as it being the only way to erase Zamasu entirely. No one from DB can beat IZ other than Zeno. 3 Kudos Omegas03. So much mental gymnastics and assumptions. However, despite the vast power he received from Goku's body, t… Loading editor. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Interestingly, the visage of Fused Zamasu that appears is his original, base state, rather than the Super Saiyan Rosé form that Fused Zamasu previously had his body destroyed in. You are indeed where you belong. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Any idea about who else i could ask to comment ? So that's actually a 3rd timeline right there. Jiren has a larger scaling chain with 2 more "Stomps X character" than GoC and therefore Morgana. Jiren is outright said to be vastly stronger than anyone, it's a pretty easy match with a canon answer, Jiren wins, easily. Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you … ", Perhaps Zen-Oh sama has expectations. But a Timeline in DB has 12 Universes (Isn't that the reason why Heroes are the strongest 2-Bs? Between both these incredibly powerful warriors , which fighter do YOU believe would be superior over the other in … This seems interesting. That only adds to my point. Goku asks Zeno if he should erase Zamasu, Zeno goes "You're right, a world like this shouldn't exist.". Two of the strongest antagonists of the DBS series. And another question, would this make every DBS Low 2-C backscale from the Beerus feat or would Casual Jiren/Weakest GoDs be the baseline of that feat? Zamasu has immortality which makes him almost undefeatable and Black carrying Goku’s potential makes him unstoppable. Sonic is a Multiversal threat in his Super Form. Fusion Zamasu was weaker than SSB Vegetto, who was likely inferior to Infinite Zamasu. We do. Though if we scale UIO1 Goku to 12 Universes it would sound EXTREMELY fishy, I am neutral on this tbh. Zeno has been stated to made rash decisions like that all the time. JavaScript is disabled. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. I agree with everything besides “attacking him in the past” since Zamasu was shown spreading to the present, was just him spreading to a alternate timeline, even if he kills little Jiren in that timeline, no effects would have been inflicted upon normal Jiren. What's the wiki's stance on why Zeno nuked the whole timeline if Zamasu had only fused with U7 at that point ? Present Zeno isn't that caring either if you think about it. So it can't be the GoDs and Angels. There have been debates that Universes 1-12 are within a shared space-time. Zamasu merging with the present but not other universes in the past makes no sense. Jiren walked towards the ball, struggling, then when Hit jumped towards him to try to do whatever, Jiren crushed the ball and moved at regular speeds again. Cyro makes sense, I agree with his conclusion. So this Is to get anime zamasu to 2-C, correct? Jiren in his casual state was said to be in a completely different league than Infinite Zamasu (Baseline), UI Goku forced him to use more and more power until … Jiren vs Fused Zamasu. might be stronger than Great Priest. Beerus took note of the phenomena of Zamasu being felt across the timelines. For now, i don't really see an answer as to why we assume Zeno nuked all the timelines if Zamasu only fused with U7 and Zamasu chan's case in his blog is only made more obvious by how the TOP turned out to be a test of character and even Frost was brough back. This thread is archived. I mean, i don't know much about the whole specifics of how it would affect ratings and tiers but i just find it weird to still say Zeno just didn't care when the tournament of power say otherwise. Infinite Zamasu was only defeated by Zeno wiping out the time line. He should be 2-C. Yeah I agree. Vegeta stomps. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. And we all know how Trunks timelime came to be in the first place. Beerus also seemed unconcerned. I would say the fight would go something like this. 17:10, February 24, 2020. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Zeno wasn't even aware of what happened until Goku pointed it out, so there's no way of him knowing if Zamasu had merged with the universe or multiverse. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Jiren was stated stonger than Infinite zamasu though and It has been proved. We don't assume the highest rating when there is lack of evidence, we stay with the lowest. I agree with AKM Sama, and if Zamasu was only merging with Universe 7, then that would imply U7 has its own space-time as it would make no sense for him to be visable in the Present Timeline if he hasn't at least merged with an entire timeline already. Close. Save changes Preview Cancel. We have no proof he even knew about the Stuff in Option 2. There are such things as Brane Cosmologies or Meta-Universes. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons. Beerus was very concerned when he saw how strong Goku and Jiren were getting. I'll be following this for now. The problem is that Jiren was clearly stated to be much stronger than him even in the Casual stage. Neighboring universes are closer than a whole other timeline, and Zeno destroyed the timeline because he said a world like this must disappear. Zamasu fuses to another universes, becomes multi-universal and one shots jiren. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. I'm not understanding the question. 7 comments. save. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons, R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku. Jiren vs Fused Zamasu. We also know Angels can accelerate physical development and birth. Beerus also seemed unconcerned. I remember it being something about Zeno being uncaring but the TOP reveal at the end clearly contradict that (though it happened after the decision was made IIRC). 4) Lmao alright Reactions: Zamasu_Chan , OneBleachHurricane and ChocomilkAlex And both present and Future timelines are completely separate timelines altogether. As for the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb thing brought up earlier. You know jiren and UI goku shook the infinite world of void multiple times. As the timeline Goku Black originated is the what if timeline if no one had knowledge prior or if Beerus hadn't Hakai'd present Zamasu altogether. Zamasu is clearly. In the manga, Infinite Zamasu retains Fused Za… Which makes the whole "He might be 2-C" thing even crazier. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. The context for him destroying the 6 universe is just that he was annoyed. SSBE Vegeta fought a Jiren who had powered up … Before that, Fused Zamasu was Goku’s (and Vegeta’s) greatest pain in the neck. What if Jiren crossed paths with Merged Zamasu in Dragon Ball Super? Main article: "Future" Trunks Saga After Zamasu eventually gave in to his dark thoughts by killing Gowasu and switching bodies with Goku in the split main timeline, Zamasu was free to execute the main part of the Project Zero Mortals as he wished. Hit forced Goku to show his Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken for the first time. A heavily suppressed Jiren was stated by both Shin and Vegeta himself to be the strongest person they ever faced. Zamasu has no way to defeat Jiren, and I doubt he could have defeated Hit with the power he had before attacking Future U7. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Fusion Zamasu(合体 ザマス,Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union betweenGoku Black(Present Zamasu in Goku's body) andFuture Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. I think MUI goku and awakened Jiren have the power to overpower infinite zamasu. So far, Goku’s most powerful opponent before Jiren was Hit. ), if he fused with the Timeline then he's 2-C, and There's no reason why Zeno would Erase 12 Universes if Zamasu only fused with one, Yes, I know. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Why would they be same? Basically timelines containing multiple timelines. We have no indication that Jiren is even capable of hurting Infinite Zamasu. 100% Upvoted. It's the conclusion that requires the least assumptions and is far more in line with Zeno's character. To add further, it's VERY clear Zamasu is with the multiverse. He doesn't care, he was literally playing around in the void. He possesses Future Zamasu's green skin, gray irises, and white hair; however, his face has more of Goku Black's jawline. Jiren and MUI Goku are stronger than the Infinite Zamasu that was initially encompassing the universe and its space-time due to Jiren statements from Shin/Guidebooks and etc. You are using an out of date browser. I am following too, I still don't have an stance yet though. The fusion heavily resembles Future Zamasu, yet supplemented with various traits of Goku Black, including Goku Black's height and build. Zen'o wouldn't have just destroyed the entire multiverse if zamasu just fused with one universe. Is it about Zeno's tier or is it a plot question? Zamasu’s suppressed level is far weaker than any level above the gods. Claiming he destroyed the entire multiverse over a single universe being corrupted just doesn't make sense with how the writers depict the character. Or he just attacks him in the past, but he did seem mentaly damaged during his infinite form so it possible that he doesn't think of doing that, but he is bloodlusted too. In the anime, Infinite Zamasu appears as an endless number of Zamasu's face in the sky, however the faces are entirely green other than their mouth and eyes which are reddish white. Will probably give my thoughts later. The Fight that we've all wanted to see, Jiren VS Zamasu from Super Dragon Ball Heroes Episode 9!! "Zeno-sama foresaw this outcome...that the warrior standing at the end, would be virtuous enough to consider other universes. So there is quite a loophole if Zamasu was, I mean Beerus and Whis Sensed Infinite Zamasu and were just like "well, that's a thing.". Yea honestly it doesn't make any sense if he hadn't fused with the whole Multiverse. Archived. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Not sure where that was ever implied. So, based upon my above analysis the only reason for Future Zeno to erase the multiverse arbitarily, is if it was due to Zamasu killing all of the Supreme Kais and GoDs, but we know Zeno can appoint new Gods of Destruction on a whim and we know Supreme Kais can be birthed if required. He was not concerned about his own well being with Infinite Zamasu, but with the Tournament of Power his own life was on the line, which is why he was on the edge of his seat, so to speak, during the ToP. Logically, all of the mortals must still exist. He had a pretty dumb and uncaring logic if he thought that the last man standing would definitely make a specific wish. R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku Also, Jiren is literally stated to be the strongest, hit the hardest, and has the most energy of the enemies they fought. Hell, why would he erase his own house for no reason ? After nearly unfusing, he gained the ability to multiply, requiring Goku to summon Zeno to kill him once and for all. So yea Zamasu wins 99.9% of the time. Yeah but Infinite Zamasu only got to Low 2-C output, he never expanded to 2-C which is purely hypothetical. Jiren and Goku are much stronger individually but there's nothing they can do to kill and eliminate Zamasu who was consuming all of timelines. The context of him willing to destroy another 8 universes was just his bad sense of judgment and rash decision. Sorry Beerus but there's a new God here to take your place. Which one would win in a fight? Honestly, it feels like there is too many mental gymnastics to justify Zamasu not being 2-C. You have to assume so many things. About the argument that the characters would be too strong if they could destroy every universe since it's a big thing To everybody. As I explained, it's extremely OOC for Zeno to destroy the future multiverse unless he was forced to. Because Jiren is a serious fighter who likes to crush his opponent. 109-110 Jiren is stated by Shin to be more powerful than anyone they've faced before in the scene with the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb, putting him above Infinite Zamasu, and is currently used to scale characters like SSB Goku (post-2nd Ultra Instinct), SSB Evolution Goku, etc. Bloodlusted. ", "If a selfish wish had been made, he would have erased everything. report. Great analysis as always @CryoTheMayo ! What about the Grand Priest or Super Shenron? The ratings doesn't matter, it doesn't change that Zeno erasing the 12 universe when it's unneeded and condamning himself to a void for no reason make no sense and contradict everything we've been shown since then and we know Zeno had no idea about ANY of the stuff Zamasu did in the other universe since he litteraly didn't know about infinite Zamasu until he was called, Zamasu's whole plan was to stay unnoticed by the GoD until it's too late, he wasn't going to advertise himself to Zeno. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Possibly Low 2-C is a no no because they definitely are in that tier via numerous statements about Jiren>Infinite Zamasu. Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. You should ask SSJRYU to comment here as well. share. And, as established, Zeno does care about the universes and only ever intended on … That Goku and friends can change something. R1: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren. 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